The commentator David Middleton
posts on 12/17/2006 1:18:47 AM
Tom Bombadil is JRR TOLKIEN. Somehere I read a quote of JRR Tolkien saying that Tom Bombadil will remain as long as the west wins. It was WWII people. Tolkien would live also if the west won.
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posts on 9/4/2006 3:17:18 PM
You know namarie is a portuguese name, I did a samba song and dance called that at epsom. Oh, I forgot, I agree that tom bombadil was older...
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posts on 9/4/2006 3:03:15 PM
yes. i think tom was the oldest. he was there before the elves and the ents. he should know. I havnt read he sillmarillion but i will. namarie!
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posts on 7/25/2006 2:15:07 AM
Tom Bombadil I guess. He was there even before the trees. Referring to the Silmarillion (chapter entitled "Aule and Yavanna"), the Ents or Shepherds of Trees came into being when the Elves awoke in the first age of (rekindled) Starlight. The Ents therefore would be as old as the Elves. But Tom was in the World even before the Valar entered in the Beginning of Time.
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posts on 6/18/2006 7:04:32 PM
I have been seeking the answer to this. However, Bombadil does say that he was there before the trees and even before the rain, and Treebeard is treelike and drinks water, so....
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posts on 5/1/2006 7:08:52 AM
Tom is older by far. He is NOT a Maia. This is apparent since Ring's magic has no effect on him BUT its clear from Gandlaf's reaction that the Ring will affect the Maia. It is not clear what Tom Bombadil's true nature is. He could be the personification of Nature itself.
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posts on 4/23/2006 9:50:37 AM
Tom is older, if you go back and re-read the books, Treebeard says (these aren't the exact words) he was there since the first ent. TOM says he was there since the beginning of time.
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posts on 4/23/2006 1:55:41 AM
Actually, I have a question...IF Tom was a Maiar, then why does The One Ring not have him under it power? It had Sauron and Sauramon under theirs, and THEY were Maiars? He could not be a Maiar, since he IS more powerful than either of them! Must be a Vayar
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The laughing stock Anonymous
posts on 3/29/2006 7:17:30 AM
Treebeard is oldest becuse tom bombadil says he was here before anyone came here i think he is refering to elves and not to ents for ents were created by Eru on request of Yavana to protect her trees.
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alphonse
posts on 1/16/2006 3:14:15 PM
Tom Bombadil was a Miaer . Sauron was also a Miaer The Miaer were Immortal apprentices to the Valar. The wizards were also miaers. Sauron was the valar melkors apprentice. So the miaers are older than treebeard. They were around before the earth and the sun was created. Each one of the valar was part of ecu the one god. Melkor was the most powerful but the other 8 valar combined were more powerful. Melkor was evil and caused problems. He was imprisoned by the other valar but his apprentice Sauron escaped to Earth. Each one of the valar had different qualities. One of them was creating plants trees etc. Tom Bombadil was that valars apprentice. That same valar created the ents when the earth was created.
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Yohan XIII
posts on 1/2/2006 6:22:35 PM
Somewhere I have readed that Tolkien said that Bombadil is ''Enigma'' out of the time and understanding. If thats truth, then there is no question, who is older. I think that Tom represents the soul of Middle earth, maybe Iluvatar or same Tolkien.
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aliciaskywalker
posts on 12/13/2005 1:48:50 PM
Yeah, but I think Tolkien liked the idea of having a tree as old as time. You know what? I nearly cried when I first read that bit in The Two Towers, when Treebeard is going on about how the Entwives went away and there are no more Entings. Cast me off as a sentimental fool, but even in writing Treebeard sounded so sad.
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TOmbadil
posts on 12/11/2005 2:09:14 AM
it is 100% tom bombadil who is older...he was there BEFORE creation
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Lady
posts on 11/16/2005 7:38:02 PM
yeah, that works too. alicia, the fact that treebeard remembered tom bombadil doesn't say much. it doesn't say he remembered his CREATION. it could just mean he remembered hearing or him or meeting him.
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The commentator ASAGO
posts on 11/16/2005 5:24:56 PM
Tom bomadil is older at least he comes firtst in the stories of middle earth
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The commentator Elodie
posts on 11/15/2005 9:34:53 PM
It may be that neither Bombadil or Treebeard are exaggerating about their age. Or, perhaps, both are exaggerating.
Maybe Treebeard is the oldest of those living in the area where he lives and Tom Bombadil the oldest of those living around where he lives.
It is also possible that they are both equally old and either don't know of eachother, don't acknowlege eachother, or just simplify things and each calls himselves oldest.
One could also say that Treebeard was the oldest of the trees and Bombadil was the oldest of the Maias or whatever he was. (Probably isn't a Maia, but I can't remember what he was or whether we're ever actually told.)
Maybe one or both of them are called "oldest" in a metaphorical sense. It may be that neither Bombadil or Treebeard are exaggerating about their age. Or, perhaps, both are exaggerating. Maybe Treebeard is the oldest of those living in the area where he lives and Tom Bombadil the oldest of those living around where he lives. It is also possible that they are both equally old and either don't know of eachother, don't acknowlege eachother, or just simplify things and each calls himselves oldest.
One could also say that Treebeard was the oldest of the trees and Bombadil was the oldest of the Maias or whatever he was. (Probably isn't a Maia, but I can't remember what he was or whether we're ever actually told.)
Maybe 1 or both of them is called "oldest" in a metaphorical sense. It may be that neither Bombadil or Treebeard are exaggerating about their age. Or, perhaps, both are exaggerating. Maybe Treebeard is the oldest of those living in the area where he lives and Tom Bombadil the oldest of those living around where he lives. It is also possible that they are both equally old and either don't know of eachother, don't acknowlege eachother, or just simplify things and each calls himselves oldest.
One could also say that Treebeard was the oldest of the trees and Bombadil was the oldest of the Maias or whatever he was. (Probably isn't a Maia, but I can't remember what he was or whether we're ever actually told.)
Maybe one or both of them is called "oldest" in a metaphorical sense. Referring to their knowledge or wisdom or something, though that's unlikely.
Perhaps "oldest" isn't metaphorical, but not exactly literal, either. Maybe Treebeard is the oldest of the living trees and Tom Bombadil the oldest of the living who or whatevers.
And so on and so forth. The possibilities are endless.
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The commentator Vanda De'lore
posts on 6/18/2005 3:18:53 PM
Or, we could just say that both of them deserve to be in a nursing home, driving the nurses crazy, and leave it at that (winks). Kiss kiss!
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aliciaskywalker
posts on 6/18/2005 1:22:31 PM
I kind of agree with Lady. But... there is something in the account of Treebeard that says he remembered Bombadil. So you could interpret that as Treebeard being older.
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Lady
posts on 3/29/2005 8:36:34 PM
I wish i knew where you were all getting this information. I looked Tom Bombadil up in the index of the Silmarillion and i couldn't even FIND him! Personally, i think that Tom Bombadil is older, or let me re-phrase that. I think he has EXISTED longer. I don't know what Tolkien intended Bombadil to be, but i have always seen him as not-of-middle-earth, above and beyond its trivial matters. He's...something else. Treebeard is a creature of middle-earth and thus bound by time and age.
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glorfindel 999
posts on 3/23/2005 9:38:56 PM
Acording to TTT Treebeard is "the oldest living thing that walks under the Sun." Tom Bombadil, being Aule the Smith created the stone foundations for Earth, thus he was the first creature on Earth. However, as one of the Ainur he doesn't really have a body, and doesn't "live" in the same sense as a man, elf, ent, etc...
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