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"Mark of Gideon"--A pitch for family planning
While Star Trek has not harped on the issue of birth control, there was an episode of the original series that discussed what can happen on a planet where birth control is considered morally repugnant and where the people are, well, prolific.

In the episode "Mark of Gideon," Captain Kirk encountered a society where the planet was so overcrowded that people were literally bumping into each other all the time. The people of the planet Gideon wanted to use a disease from Captain Kirk's body to kill some of its citizens to ease the population pressure. Although those killed with the disease would be volunteers (!), Captain Kirk wanted no part of their scheme. He tells the leader of Gideon, Hodin, that they should relieve their population problem by using other methods (e.g. birth control) instead. Their leader replies that the creation of life is so precious to his people that they would never accept birth control.

What is Star Trek really talking about here? The disapproval by some of the ready availability of contraception. Star Trek is saying that if means of contraception aren't readily available, that our planet will face a demographic and environmental crisis of Malthusian proportions which will render the earth virtually uninhabitable. The philosophy of the show would probably support family-planning counseling, subsidized birth control for disadvantaged families, sex education in the schools, and perhaps even the distribution of condoms to sexually active teenagers. While Star Trek probably wouldn't endorse China's strict "One Child" policy (which heavily fines families which have more than one child, and which, in practice, leads to forced abortions), Star Trek would view China's situation as a warning as to what can happen across the globe without sensible family-planning programs.


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       The commentator Question Bot posts on 5/4/2008 10:15:47 PM

Its even worse than people think. There is a group that calls for the extinction of mankind entirely. Its called the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. vhem.org. They view humans as a cancer on the Earth or a virus if you will - remember that scene in The Matrix where agent Smith describes man as a Virus? Yes indeed. Some day a guy like in 12 Monkeys will try to eradicate the human virus. It will be a sad time as people cough and drop dead in the streets gasping for air like in the Omega Man. The world will end with a cough.


       Spock posts on 4/30/2008 6:16:49 PM

[Perverting the purpose of sex from its sacred purpose of love and procreation, to mere hedonistic pleasure has led to most every sexual perversion imaginable: homosexuality, prostitution, pornography, etc.] Oh, come on. You mean to tell me that wearing a condom leads to homosexuality? If my wife takes the pill, she'll turn into a prostitute? You're assertions are faulty and cannot be supported by reason. As for us "anti-population" nuts who support the use of things like condoms, I guess to you we're all being rather silly not wanting to see people in Africa die of AIDS and children in places like Somalia die of starvation. Talk about the "society of death," I think you have it reversed. Seems to me that those who are against birth control are the ones who are okay with death. Sure, we can eventually solve the problems of a lack of food in Somalia and the AIDS epedemic in Africa, but until that time, doesn't it seem more logical to allow the use of birth control in places like that? Or would you rather see more people die because they either don't have birth control to prevent desease or don't know any better, have children anyway, and watch them starve to death?


       The commentator Pronatalist posts on 2/22/2006 5:06:52 PM

faulty computerized filter Reply to rand:

The filter appears to be some dumb computerized filter, that instantly rejects posts for mysterious reasons, not bothering to give meaningful error messages. I suspect it may also limit posts per poster to maybe 1 a day, or 1 until somebody responds? That might appear reasonable, until a computer savvy person like me, has to divide up my post, to find the "offending" word, since there is no Preview nor Edit option. It's a very poor design, and certainly not something I would program. I at least would put in meaningful error messages and a Preview option.

Thanks for the compliment.

You may also notice that the text formatting on my posts has drastically improved. That's because I put in hidden HTML tags, which some seem to work, but I still have to run all my paragraphs together as I see them while typing, otherwise it claims my post is too long, or some such nonsense. Why in the world should it could Return characters rather than total characters?


       The commentator Pronatalist posts on 2/22/2006 7:24:00 AM

Board not responding to post Error.

Reply to rand:

Part 2:

There's something wrong with the filter on this message board. It won't tell me what it is objecting to, so I have to post piece by piece to find out.


       The commentator Pronatalist posts on 2/22/2006 12:10:36 AM

Food is for feeding people, and of course for multiplying too.

Reply to rand:

look, all i am saying is let's find a way to feed the people we have now before we go multiplying like rabbits.

Okay, everybody, no sex until we find some way. Rand says so. No more fun at night. Happy now? Come on, people can't just stop multiplying until everything is hunky-dory. Improving things, and humans multiplying, are corequisites. Things that must happen simutaneously. Some people having less children, good people having less children, isn't going to help put food on people's plates, in other or far-away areas afflicted by the wars caused by evil people.

Some lady called into some radio talk show that I was listening to one day, expressing fear to have a child in today's sinful world. The talk show host, a woman herself, nearly scolded her, asking if good people don't have children, then who's left? If we are to occupy the world for good, and be salt to the world, and to deter the evil, then shouldn't we be having children, rather than driving ourselves into oblivion by contraception? And when has there ever been, any particularly good time for having children, in this world? I can't think of any such time. In some respects, things are better, if you train your children in the ways of the Lord. For at least our children will likely live until adulthood and have children themselves, and there are so many interesting things these days that people can do. And we can't hardly go anyplace anymore, that isn't air conditioned. The world seems to be getting, almost "too comfortable" for our own good.

maybe with advanced technology earth could sustain trillions and trillions of people, but as of now, at this moment in time, we don't have that technology.

Yeah, today's technology might only support but a mere 200 billion people? Who knows? But before we can grow to trillions and trillions, wouldn't we have to first grow to 10 billion? Demographers don't event think we will grow to 10 trillion people, due to rampant non-breeding and under-breeding. Let's maybe wait until there are more than 10 billion people on earth, before planning how to accomodate a trillion people? First things first.


       rand posts on 2/21/2006 10:41:21 PM

look, all i am saying is let's find a way to feed the people we have now before we go multiplying like rabbits. maybe with advanced technology earth could sustain trillions and trillions of people, but as of now, at this moment in time, we don't have that technology. and please don't question my faith simply because i disagree with you on birth control. if you have read the bible, which i'm sure someone of your obvious intelligence and passionate beleifs has, you should know that man is a fallen creature. man is a natural born sinner. it is in our very dna, passed on from adam to every generation throughout the centuries. there is no good in us. ONLY GOD IS GOOD. personally, i am a miserable, wretched sinner. i deserve only death and hell. if you will forgive me for saying so, you seem to worship the creation more than the creator. as for myself, i do not want to live in a world with buildings so tall they block out the sky or miles underground like the morlocks in h.g. welles' the time machine. and i stand by my final statement in my previous post. half the people in the world went to bed hungry last night. many will not wake up. that is not scientific theory, it is fact. and maybe the reason why is war or politics rather than over population, but they are still starving to death. and the world is not and never will change for the better until Christ returns. take care.


       The commentator Pronatalist posts on 2/21/2006 11:04:13 AM

Planet Gideon had the right idea, but people everywhere bumping into each other simply wouldn't be the end result. That's ridiculous.

Reply to Soylent Yellow:

The whole story was stupid, there is no way a population would grow to the point where everyone was standing up bumping into each other like goofy robots playing bumper cars.

Oh really? Perhaps you don't understand how "unchecked" human population growth, tends to grow exponentially, and "eventually" reaching "standing room only" levels. More babies means more future parents means even more future babies. But that happens so far into the future as to be a ridiculous extrapolation. Most any basic math or statistics student should know that the further out one extrapolates from known data, the less reliable the prediction.

And of course I understand that if the world was to go along with what I advocate, have more larger families, such a scenario may seem to become more likely, with booming populations of young people who also will soon want to have still more children, it still is rather unlikely. There are too many unverifiable assumptions involved in such a reckless prediction. It is assumed that people will multiply at the same rate "forever." That people will never spread out to other worlds. That people could never think of stacking up people into vertical cities or archologies. It can't possibly occur within the forseeable future. More people do not necessarily bring more problems, as people tend to solve problems in time. And even if the world did someday gain "too many" people, that doesn't mean that we are anywhere close to "too many" people now.

People bumping into each other? Yeah, I think they had some brief scene like that, in THX 1138. They said in the DVD commentary, that they had a few people continuously circling back and forth right in front of the camera, to make it look convincing. Must be too expensive to get enough extras huh?

Im guessing it was like a 24/7 orgie to produce that many people.

Ah, you weren't supposed to figure that out. Shame on you. Now we have solved the mystery of why the people weren't more anxious to leave with Captain Kirk. And why they couldn't seem to do much anything about their supposed population "problem." Also, I would think that baby booms tend to be "contagious." Seeing others having babies makes more people want babies too. And yet they didn't find the time to see any visably pregnant women in that episode? And no cute, adorable babies anywhere? Nothing warm or positive about having so many people alive? Sort of like those stupid "sex education" classes in which children have to carry around some lifeless sack of flour or something, or some electronic "cry-baby" doll, rather than something warm and cuddly for a "baby." That's so wrong. If children are to "practice" being a Mom and carry around a "baby" everywhere, why not at least a warm rabbit or something? I suppose you can put a rabbit on a leash, so it doesn't run off?

Of course they were probably having "orgies" of perhaps nearly global extent, because they said there's no place of privacy anywhere, and yet the people consider every human life sacred and "birth control" repugnant. So where babies continue to be born, people must be having sex. But then, maybe their sex in public isn't exactly orgy-like. It could be as common, as to see a woman pregnant in public. It wouldn't always be arrousing to see somebody else engaging in sex, if one already just had sex. And I don't think they said whether they were promiscuous, or strickly monogamous, which obviously could also be possible, especially with their "sacred" view of life. Either way, on a planet with no disease, that means no STDs too right?

It would be unreasonable to expect the people to keep their sex private, in a world with no place of privacy anymore. This of course is similar to the scenario of a family renting a motel room on a trip, and they "think" the children are asleep? For children to catch their parents having sex, really should be no big deal, because all our parents must have been "doing it." Most all people have sex, so while some modesty is of course expected, complete privacy isn't always realistic.

But those 1960s radicals that inspired such a ridiculous story, must not have thought just how much work is involved in birthing another billion babies. They make it sound so easy, as if somebody sneezes, and the world is suddenly overrun with people. How ridiculous.

In reality, as societies become wealthier and more technologically advanced, birthrates tend to drop as children are no longer needed for labor.

That's the "demographic transition" theory, but why should it have to be that way always? Some anti-population website points out that there is nothing about having money in one's pockets that magically sterilizes the reproductive organs. The dirty secret is that much of this "demographic tran


       Soylent Yellow posts on 2/20/2006 10:52:04 PM

The whole story was stupid, there is no way a population would grow to the point where everyone was standing up bumping into each other like goofy robots playing bumper cars. Im guessing it was like a 24/7 orgie to produce that many people. In reality, as societies become wealthier and more technologically advanced, birthrates tend to drop as children are no longer needed for labor. In Europe and America, native populations are at or below replacement levels. Only immigration prevents the US from going below 2.1 children per couple. Using advanced recycling technology the Earth could support TRILLIONs upon TRILLIONs of people. Imagine all land and coastal areas stuffed with 100 story buildings, maybe even 200 stories or more. Figure out how many people each World Trade Center tower held then figure out how many would fit over the surface of the Earth right next to each other. My trillions upon trillions estimate is probably way low. Plenty of water from the oceans could be desalinated and food could be grown on each level hydroponically. Not that this would be desirable, but it is possible. The Earth would become a sea of buildings with no forests or open lands except in highest mountain areas and most life would go extinct except for people and what we kept in zoos.


       The commentator Pronatalist posts on 2/20/2006 10:03:08 PM

Reply to Rang: {pronatalist, i agree with a lot of what you're saying, but i do feel there is a limit to how much life earth can support.} I am glad you agree, and I am curious with which parts of what I said, you agree. Mathmatically, there may be some vague limit, but the world will in fact hold all the people there ever will be upon it. The world is nowhere near "full" of people. If God can feed 6 billion people, then God can as easily feed 12 or 24 billion people. This message board squished my several paragraphs together, so let me do an experiment to see if HTML is enabled. Some message boards secretly leave HTML posting turned on, but don't even mention the text formatting possibilies that allows.

{i am a christian conservative from the south so i don't equate animal life with the same value and worth i do people.} Well that's great, and because I believe human life is sacred and a gift from God, and humans to be the most beautiful an d interesting creatures on the planet, is a practical reason I believe that humans should be prolific, and "birth control" considered repugnant. I admire the faith of people who go against the delusions of the culture, and allow themselves to be blessed with sometimes big or unplanned families. {but even in my relatively underpopulated part of the country i see more and more homes and businesses being built every day, forcing animals out of the forests and into our back yards.} I am not so fond of urban sprawl in the form of building lots of usually empty buildings to run up the cost of living. But if urban sprawl is mostly population-driven, more and more people coming to life and needing someplace to live, then I am all for it. In the past and present, people depopulated the countryside to move to the city in search of jobs, opportunity, and excitement. It would be cool to see the people move back to the countryside, but now at urban densities because there's getting to be just so many of them.

{you don't want to know how many wild animals like armadillos, opossums and racoons i see squished flat in the road every day.} Animals eat and prey upon each other. What's the difference really? The real concern is that animal roadkill doesn't damage your car.

{just last week i watched three deer, doe's, in my garden, munching on the greens. it was a pleasant sight, but i'm sure the animals would have preferred to be in the woods and as far away from people as possible.} Actually, let me propose a theory. I am not so convince that humans are "crowding" the animals. Rather, human populations are perhaps getting so big, that the human scent reeking from cities and towns all around, confuses the animals, and they don't know which direction to go anymore to get away from people. Or there is too much a lack of people hunting deer, so they lose too much of their natural fear of people. Or human environments don't seem so "strange" to wild animals, when humans are increasingly "everywhere."

{unfortunately, the nearby woods had been clear cut and the animals had nowhere else to go.} And had the forest not been more fragmented, wouldn't you be at more risk of natural forest fires? Urban areas tend to be so thinned and manually pruned, that forest fires often run short of fuel upon reaching our roads and clearings.

{and although i do love the original, and as far as i'm concerned only star trek, it did go in for a lot of that sixties radicalisim.} I used to like The Original Series (TOS), but after seeing The Next Generation, in comparison, Captain Kirk seemed reckless and almost court martial material. TOS was rather cool and "futuristic," until The Next Generation eclipsed it by being even more futuristic. Then TOS seemed more outdated and quaint. It's computers were cold and mechanical sounding. The Next Generation had far friendlier and interesting computers.

{and while i do not believe in abortion, i see nothing wrong with birth control.} But the contraception mentality leads to the "culture of death" abortion mentality. There are pro-life articles all over the internet that explain this, since the Church establishment in general, doesn't seem to want to "dirty its hands" in politics. I could post some links later, but I don't know if this message board can be made to make proper text formatting to make long posts more readible. One article arguing for "natural family planning," claimed that "artificial" contraceptives, are like, say if you were sending out wedding invitations, and you thought of somebody you didn't want to invite. Well you could just not send them an invitation. Or you could send them a "disinvitation," telling them of the wedding, and that if they come, people will escort them back out to the parking lot. Artificial contraception sends God a "disinvitation" to his blessings of children. Where simply rhythm or something supposedly more "natural," is like just not sending any invitation. Less offensive, but perhaps similar results. Well I don't c


       rand posts on 2/19/2006 12:42:05 AM

pronatalist, i agree with a lot of what you're saying, but i do feel there is a limit to how much life earth can support. i am a christian conservative from the south so i don't equate animal life with the same value and worth i do people. but even in my relatively underpopulated part of the country i see more and more homes and businesses being built every day, forcing animals out of the forests and into our back yards. you don't want to know how many wild animals like armadillos, opossums and racoons i see squished flat in the road every day. just last week i watched three deer, doe's, in my garden, munching on the greens. it was a pleasant sight, but i'm sure the animals would have preferred to be in the woods and as far away from people as possible. unfortunately, the nearby woods had been clear cut and the animals had nowhere else to go. and although i do love the original, and as far as i'm concerned only star trek, it did go in for a lot of that sixties radicalisim. and while i do not believe in abortion, i see nothing wrong with birth control. if i understand correctly, it takes about three days for sperm and egg to meet and combine, becoming a living growing person. what's wrong with preventing that from happening? most families today simply can not afford more than two or three children. would it be right to intentionally have more children than you can provide for just to keep the population up? and remember, about half of the people on earth went to bed hungry tonight. at least that's the way i see it. take care.


       The commentator Pronatalist posts on 2/17/2006 8:35:06 AM

Large families should be encouraged worldwide, so that all the more fellow humans may live. More and more people would be glad to live, most everybody wants or ends up having children, colonizing outer space or other worlds doesn't appear feasible anytime soon, and the planet isn't getting any bigger. The obvious answer then, would be for humans to populate denser and denser, at least on the global scale. Humans weren't even designed to use any means of "birth control." More contraceptive use leads to a "culture of death" abortion mentality, and perverts the purpose of sex from procreation, to all sorts of pleasure-related evils such as pornography, prostitution, promiscuity, homosexuality, etc. Also, humans were designed by God as intelligent, social creatures, quite capable of living in huge numbers in close proximity to one another. And how is it that we are getting all this modern-day technology that well supports ever larger and denser human populations? How many signs do we need from nature or God as to what direction we should go? Come on, the world isn't anywhere near full, people aren't capable of multiplying that fast but rather multiply GRADUALLY over time, and how is it that the people of Gideon never thought of building taller buildings to better house all the people. Or maybe considering expanding the population to more worlds? Typical overpopulation nonsense from the rebellious 1960s nonsense of promoting "free love" via rampant contraceptive peddling. "The Mark of Gideon" was a stupid propaganda stunt to criticize the religous beliefs of most of the world's religions, and by what, even more "religious" junk-science of "environmental" earth worship. But I have to give it credit, for telling a more plausible story than at least Soylent Green, which made even less sense and was a sensationist farce, more rooted in "shock value" than logic. And isn't it interesting some of the pronatal messages, not necessarily criticized? in "The Mark of Gideon?" That each and every human life is "sacred," and thus we shouldn't interfere with the creation of human life. That maybe people naturally do not like to use "birth control?" That people can in fact adapt and survive and thrive even in the most unimaginably densely populated surroundings. That Adona, who claimed she would kill to be alone, could wish for her planet, crowded as it is, to hold 1 more person, Captain Kirk? And that Captain Kirk prefered his "crowded" spaceship over the lonely phony replica? Planet Gideon had the right idea, to welcome nearly as many people to live as possible, and even fill and overfill their world if need be, but why the ridiculous “overpopulation” exxageration? That obviously couldn't happen in our lifetimes nor within the forseeable future, so why the population paranoria?


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