The laughing stock Anonymous
posts on 2/14/2007 12:45:57 PM
if you were half the writer he was you would know how to spell "writer"
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The commentator Motorecrut
posts on 1/1/2007 9:36:13 PM
Hi, my name is Recrut and I have a headache
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lyds
posts on 12/11/2006 10:38:27 PM
he may have thought that fairer people are better looking but that doesnt mean he was a racist. some of the white characters were evil aswell like sauroman
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The commentator windy march
posts on 12/5/2006 4:22:22 PM
Seriousely , do you really think , YOU have any right to question wich , IMAGINARRY ,race is his favorite?People , really , get a life.this is why your not a real journalist , this is a stupid question.these races are IMAGINARRY!
Any prefrance the books sugjest , are coming from the IMAGINARRY charichters.If you were half the righter he is , you would know an auther is not himself when righting. They are a charicter , they are all the charicters combined .There is actoully verry little you get to decide when you right , you may think of the storry , but you will never completely controle what you think.If you were half the righter he is , you would also know that your righting is your baby ,you made it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to change a single thing about your baby?How hard it is to even think , in any way , that your baby is not completely perfect?You just try and understand THAT, and then try to read that racist remark you made , without understanding my discust.
Stay in touch,
wm
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The commentator Adnamarine
posts on 11/28/2006 11:44:22 AM
Really, who Cares?!?!?! This isn't some ancient novel, filled with hidden political meanings of the day, that you read in English class and tear apart with analytical theories!
You know, in every case of anyone thinking racially, Tolkien tore it apart. Hobbits would naturally not be thought of as strong by any means. Frodo proved differently and Gandalf believed in him. Legolas and Gimli at first resented each other, but became the closest of friends. Aragorn and Arwen, and Feromir and Eowyn married despite everyone’s disapproval. Tolkien was not racist, as anyone with intelligence who has read the books and knows anything about Tolkien’s life would realize And you know, all those different races, he was creating a world. A realistic world with real people and cultures which were different from one another. It's part of writing fantasy.
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The commentator James
posts on 11/27/2006 11:39:29 PM
Oh, who knows what was in JRR's worldview, way back then? Probably all of us have thoughts that would surprise even ourselves if we looked in every hidden corner of our minds. But here is something I have never seen posted anywhere: the orcs, as Tolkien describes them, were never the horrific creatures with terrible skin conditions visualized in the movies. You may recall Treebeard tells Merry and Pippin he thought at first they might have been orcs. Throughout the book, Tolkien describes orcs as short and sallow, bandy-legged and flat-faced. Now what does that sound like, especially given the stereotypes prevalent during the years JRR did most of his writing? It is obvious, though nowadays politically incorrect to say so, that the orcs were... Japanese.
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posts on 10/9/2006 4:11:25 PM
Tolkien was just pointing out that even through all the opposition, in the end, they still stayed true, that they didn't seperate just because people were saying, "marry to your own kind!"
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posts on 10/5/2006 9:31:01 PM
good point Jim. that made me laugh, orcs that look like Brad Pitt... +dissolves into unseemly giggles again+ I'm so tired of all these 'hidden meanings' people come up with from Tolkien's books. They're all so STUPID!
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posts on 10/5/2006 2:44:00 PM
Why can't you just enjoy a good film without making it out to be a nazi propaganda film?
Good guys have always been good looking, while the bad guys are rarely male models. Would you prefer the orks to look like Brad pitt?
In star wars, the stormtroopers (bad guys) were dressed in white, so how does your hidden message theory work out?
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random_one
posts on 11/17/2005 7:22:30 PM
I don't think that the elves vs men vs orks thing is racis. However, there is a definite element of good vs evil - tall, darkhaired neumoeans are see as the natural lords of all other men, tall blond haired blue-eyed norhernenr's are seen as noble but uncultured, dark skinned southerners are southerners are seen as intelligent but evil, and asian skinned easterners are seen as perhaps not totally evil, but different and hard to understand with different morals and ethics. That makes the book seem as though it were written is an ancient Roman court, with their stereotypes, plus the addition of Tolkein's love of Germanic peoples. (The Romans considered them barbarous and as slaves) I'm not saying Tolkein was a racist, I'm just pointing out the facts.
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The commentator keith
posts on 10/29/2005 10:24:27 AM
he didnt believe in racial purity because he made different people and races fall in love
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Aragorn
posts on 8/27/2005 4:52:39 PM
if i was a teacher i would say you got an a+ on that essay qustion. lol the book is really saying tha they fought through there diffenes to become friends. It is like white kids playing with black kids. who cares. An elf and a drawf mad friends.(legolas and gimle) they even said at least i will did next to a friend. That really touched me. Then Aragorn loved Arwen becase will they got alogon and liked eachother. Love is a funny thing. Then not all the hobbets may have liked gandolf but they did. Everyone put aside there diffeces to become friend, and good friends they became. Just listen to the title of the first book the FELLOSHIP of the ring.(i am a girl)
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annie
posts on 8/27/2005 4:07:45 PM
ok if you actually think about the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn, or Legolas and Gimli, or Gandalf and the hobbits proves that he doesn't believe in racial purity. The fact that he made them all have these relationships despite the fact that it was seen as wrong would say that he doesnt care what other people think, he believes friendship and love and other factors are more important. It's showed best through Legolas and Gimli who at first didn't like each other cause they were always taught that the other race was wrong, but by the end of LotRs they're the best of friends and don't care that it goes against the mould. Even within the Fellowship, Elrond an elf who aparently are the purest race thinks to sent Dwarves and men with them in the Fellowship if he thought that the elfs were so much stroner and purer and could resist the power of the ring more than other races would he not send onlys elves with them? But he didn't because he knows despite their differences the peoples of Middle Earth are stronger if they work together. and that's what Tolkien is trying to say throughout the book, people are strong if they were together rather than fight battles on their own.
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The laughing stock Anonymous
posts on 8/24/2005 2:19:27 PM
i think tolkien liked the fact that aragorn and arawengot married
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aliciaskywalker
posts on 6/20/2005 2:12:03 PM
People, it's a story, in case anybody didn't notice. It doesn't really matter whether it's based on racial purity. Anyway, lots of books have an idea of 'higher order of beings' - it simply means that the elves and higher men are in some way more - er - noble or whatever.
By the way, James, you know your stuff.
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alphonse (who can't spell the word foolish)
posts on 6/6/2005 2:13:33 PM
too much wind and folish questions
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The commentator James
posts on 5/27/2005 4:33:24 AM
Tokien was once approached during the German Nazi period by Germans who wanted to know whether his book "The Hobbit" was suitable for Germans and whether he was "racially pure." This was his reply: "I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is, Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people."
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The commentator Shirin
posts on 5/9/2005 4:03:33 PM
Personally, I think the Easterlings MAY have been loosely based on the Huns and Mongols.
Why?
They look Asian, they're warriors, they seem nomadic, and nobody much likes them.
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Mark Dreyer
posts on 2/11/2005 1:01:31 PM
It doesn't scan. The whole of The Lord of the Rings' is riddled with racial mixing, which is chiefly the significant heritage of Elrond & his daughter Arwen, as well as Aragorn. It is also plain these racial blendings were legitimate laiasons, blessed by both their progenitors' & by the Valar. Yes there was racial mixing & it ennobled both the Eldar line, & the race of Men, no less than the hybrid line that followed.
Somebody reads much into the elves as an Arian archetype - sooo Nazi! - but this is also false. The definitive elf was taller than men, fair of countenance & gracile, but without facial hair, & their hair was black, & their eyes grey. Only the House of Finarfin, among the Elves, had blondes, one of whom was Galadrial, but they were peculiar.
No, the Arian type was represented by the lesser people, the frail & sometimes unreliable allies of the Elves, The Children of Men.
Something Else: People say he (Tolkien) represents the Northern Kind, the fairer races as the Good, & the Southern, the swarthy ones, as Bad. Tolkien himself was challanged on this very issue, & his answer was that the traducer should read what he wrote. It is abundantly clear that the actual seat of evil was originally the North, The Witch-King of Angmar that destroyed Arnor, the North-Kingdom, for example, & Sauron himself, & his lord were of the North.
Racial purity, in essence, is neither bad nor good. It is only our guilty concience that casts our attitude to it in a bad light, but this was not always so, & it will not always be so. Tolkien himself came of a privileged People & generation, the last for a long time, which had fought colour-based slavery to extinction,& had not succumbed to the seduction of racial purity. So may we all.
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